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PostSubject: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 24 Aug 2008, 20:32

Give me some good proof that god does exsist. *cough* parado0x *cough*

Proof he does exsist
none
Proof he doesn't exist
1: the whole adam and eve thing. the bible states that god created adam and
eve first, but fossil records clearly show that things where on the earth be
for humans.
2:"Love your enemies."
Well, it's a nice thought. But it seems strange coming from someone who
damns his enemies to hell.
3: christianity says that god created every thing, then he would have to create himself as he is a part of every thing wich would be impossible as he cannot create anything before he even exsists.
4: God will only exsist as long as the last christian walks the earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 24 Aug 2008, 21:11

Hahaha, your "proofs" are hilarious, really hilarious!

The only thing that you can call an arguement is 1). And that can be simply counter argued. There's a (not small) group that believe that earth has been created as science tells us, but that there is still a/the God watching over us.
Also the Adam and Eve story is only one part of the lore of creation. The other story is that God created the world in 7 days bla bla. Maybe he put in some fossils to make us think about things like this Razz

No, well, I also don't think that God exists, but my only basis is that humanity doesn't get along with the fact that our existence doesn't have an ultimate goal or an important reason such as being the "child" of a God. It's the same with the medival theory that the world would be the centre of the universe and the sun circles around earth.
We're simply the most intelligent mammals on earth. Nothing more and nothing less.
There is no proof for or against the existence of God.

To 4): God will exists as long as any religious man walks the world. The only difference is whether he's called God, Javeh, or whatever.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Fri 29 Aug 2008, 15:26

You are missing the entire point. You are not supposed to prove God exists/doesn't exits. It is just a matter of faith. "Proof denies faith and without faith God is nothing." Bonus points for figuring out which book that is from. And no, it is not the bible.

And I am not really a christian.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Fri 12 Sep 2008, 10:36

I'm not a christian as well, and i don't believe in god, but i can't proof he doesn't exist.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Wed 03 Dec 2008, 05:55

actualy, thats what the faith is all about you know?, you don't really need to proof that god does exist... because you believe in him, or not... once a friend of mine tell me something realy simple but with a deep meaning...

"sience tells us that we, in simple words, came from a fart in the cosmos... well, go on, look into your son's eyes and tell him that he comes from a fart, just try to convince yourself that the love you feel for another person comes from that, and not from the hand of a benevolent creator"

i'll apologise now for my english, just remembering you guys i'm from a spanish speaking country and do my best to write correctly...

thats what i think, everybody believes in something, rather you can see and touch it or not...
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Wed 03 Dec 2008, 06:53

Maybe, but still, i'm not convince that god does exist.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Wed 03 Dec 2008, 07:04

i'm not trying to make someone start believing... i'm exposing my point of view... and i'm not saying that you're wrong or something like that, nobody knows that for sure untill the last breath of life...
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 07 Dec 2008, 22:30

God truly DOESNT exist... there are only people who are stupid in thier heads who think that some1 sais to them to belive in him XD
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Mon 08 Dec 2008, 19:10

I'm not beliebing in god but if u want to proof that god ecists its like u want to proof what love exactly is or any other feeling there's just no real answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Fri 02 Jan 2009, 22:56

My point of view, god may exist, fossils & 7 days creation theory... it doesn't exclude each other, 7 days may just be an other way of putting eons of slow creation process, it would be just to boring to put there, it took him several eons to do it.
Love your enemies, that's just a nice line to say, isn't life all about respecting everyone else around you?
Creation paradox (don't like the idea of rewriting it all), that's only 1 thing up to faith, u just have to believe there is something what was there all the freakin time, although it may be the hardest part of it all
Last point, god will exist as long as there will be someone/something talking about him. Same goes for all the stories/countries and everything around us, when something is forgotten, it cease to exist.

Just to make it clear, i am a christian, or whatever u spell it like, although im lookin through all kind of religions to find one best suited for me, like now, 1 closest to me is Krishnianism, since its all about respecting others.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Fri 02 Jan 2009, 23:18

The best religion is budhism since that religion doesn't actualy have a "god"

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 00:15

I've never heard of Krishnianism (even google doesn't find it Razz), but the "respecting others" part is existent in most religions.
Christianity for example has the ten amendments and the Sermon on the Mount whereby every is ought to abstain from violence and to promote the grace of charity.
That, of course, doesn't mean that the "christians" have to follow these rules.. many interpreters have changed the meaning of the amendments. Reasons for that were e.g. that they are not suited for our modern elbow society - other's excluded politicians, soldiers, policemen etc because it serves a greater good. Bla bla bla.
I would say that not even 5% of the people, who call their religion the Christianity, actually live like they were meant to do.
A true christian would be a man of charity and benevolence, not some random guy who goes to a holy war for some other random guy who happens to be the head of the church.


About Bhuddism. It is true that it is an atheistic religion and some parts of their doctrine I find quite interesting, but that does not mean that they don't believe in immaginations. With the rebirth and their Jesus-like Boddhisattvas they pack a good bunch of ghost stories, too.
However, their last reincarnation was at least not 2000 years ago ^.^ And in the eastern countries the believe in Bhuddisms seems much stronger than the christians in pope-town Surprised

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God truly DOESNT exist...
Prove? I know.. it's a hard task ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 03:52

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About Bhuddism. It is true that it is an atheistic religion and some parts of their doctrine I find quite interesting, but that does not mean that they don't believe in immaginations. With the rebirth and their Jesus-like Boddhisattvas they pack a good bunch of ghost stories, too.
I have never said I don't belive in supernatural things. but one mighty fella that rules the world like a dominant asshole I don't belive in. I'd love to really know if there is ghosts or poltergeists, I find supernatural things very interesting. But sure ofcourse buddhism isn't perfect in my eyes. no religion is. but it's still the best one in my opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 06:00

You Know... now that you mention ghosts and poltergeists... when i was a little kid, my mom always said... "when you pray, never say "lord, god, king" or words like those, because you'll never know who's hearing your pray"... nowdays, i've seen things, things that i won't say "ooohhh a ghost" but, anyway, they are hard to explain in a rational way... i assume some of you have passed throug this kind of experience....
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 08:05

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 17:11

Argh! Moozgu I already told you about this, no complaining. I set the rules and you are not alowed to have an opinion. Now start to write and DON*T GO TO BED. You can expect a big punishment after this.

BTW; Moozgu, you shouldn't be up so late. Just because I've been awake for almost 48 hours now.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 03 Jan 2009, 19:08

Seems you got a pretty nasty ghost there, Mooz ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Mon 05 Jan 2009, 13:47

Jesus thought his mother was a virgin - fail.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Thu 15 Jan 2009, 18:42

Well, on one hand it would be nice to know if there was a big guy up there, making sure everything turned out good.

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 11 Apr 2009, 20:45

God would be the most perfect being, right? I think that's a pretty good description of god. So if he wouldn't excist, he wouldn't be perfect. Now there's a paradox for you to chew. It's not really my opinion, but it's the philosophy of René Descartes. You should look it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 11 Apr 2009, 22:11

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sat 11 Apr 2009, 23:52

If god would be the perfect creature, he would be both good and evil. And as he would try to create good and evil, and at the same time prevent them, he would balance them, thus there would be good and evil just like now.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 12 Apr 2009, 01:23

Lisianthus wrote:

but one mighty fella that rules the world like a dominant asshole I don't belive in
Can't prove God without a bible refenrence, it would seem +^^
This either isn't really my opinion, but doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that god made man a image of his own? (or something like that. I'm not familiar with the english translation.) Now this doesn't have to mean physical appereance only. And what would make bigger asshole of you than the power to rule the world? Just try playing Black & White and you'll understand.
My own opinion? I'm really agnostic about any higher powers, and I think all I can do is disprove other people's arguments. Besides that's way more fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 12 Apr 2009, 04:02

Lettijeesus wrote:
If god would be the perfect creature, he would be both good and evil. And as he would try to create good and evil, and at the same time prevent them, he would balance them, thus there would be good and evil just like now.
I guess with that you mean that he "regulates" the balance between Good and Evil. That'd mean he is able, but not willing. Thus he is malevolent.
Being Evil is not a part of God, but of the devil. Also, who says that there has to be a balance of Good and Evil? Logically speaking there cannot be anything bad about everything being good, can there?^^

The balance-thing would more fit into the taoism and it's believe of duality, but there we don't have God who is regulating the balance, but Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, itself.

I guess with "God making us an image of himself" it is meant that we are the creature closest to divinity? We're like mini-gods (in the story of creation God made all lesser creatures to serve us).

And of course you cannot prove/describe God without a bible reference, that is because without these references there wouldn't be any God existing ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Prove that god does exsist.   Sun 12 Apr 2009, 05:06

Actually, History dictates that Jesus did walk on this Earth... The Bible is a referance for Jewish History. Considering they have records even now of people who were alive long before jesus's time.
God would then exist without question considering... however its late and I cant come up with a more rational arguement or more facts lol..
In a sence thats why people are called to believe.. we have the proof people just tend to ignore it lol.
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